UBenedict Cumberbatch: "Izingane ziyihange elingcono kakhulu ohambweni lwethu"

Emabhayisikobho, uvame ukudlala ohlakaniphile, kodwa ucela ukukhumbula ukuthi yena ngokwakhe akanawo amandla amakhulu. Uzibheka njengomuntu ojwayelekile ngokuphelele, kodwa akulula ukuvumelana nalokhu. Futhi ngisho nangaphezulu - akunakwenzeka ukuvumelana nalokhu.

Kukhanya kakhulu, kujabulisa kakhulu lapha - endaweni yokudlela yamaJuda engekude ne-Hampstead Heath endaweni yokuhlala, e-Philistine, e-Hampstead enonxiwankulu-ephumelelayo enyakatho yeLondon. Izindonga eziluhlaza okwesibhakabhaka, ikhansili elicwebeziwe, izihlalo ezivulwe ngombala oluhlaza okwesibhakabhaka ogqamile ezinezimbali namagatsha ... Futhi cishe akekho kulelihora phakathi kwesidlo sasemini nalokho abaseBrithani abakubiza ngokuthi isidlo sakusihlwa.

Yebo, amakhasimende amathathu noma abalindi abozela kancane, ngokuphambene nalokho engikulindele, abasinaki. Kodwa, njengoba kuvela, abanandaba nhlobo ngoba umxhumanisi wami ebhulukwe elimpunga, i-sweatshirt empunga, enesikhafu esimpunga entanyeni yakhe, eboshwe nge-acetic noose, uzama ukungabonakali. Kodwa ngoba ungumuntu «ovamile emini» lapha.

U-Benedict Cumberbatch, kuvele ukuthi, uhlala enza ama-aphoyintimenti kule ndawo yokudlela, ngoba uhlala imizuzu eyishumi uma uhamba ngezinyawo, “futhi awukwazi ukumema ekhaya — kuba nokukhala kwezingane, ukuklabalasa, imidlalo, izinyembezi, ukuncenga ukuba badle kancane. kulokhu, ukungakudli kakhulu lokho ... noma ngokuphambene nalokho - hhayi nje ukuthula, kodwa ihora elifile. Futhi lapha ungeza cishe ngama-slippers futhi ngokushesha ngemva kwengxoxo ubuyele emphakathini wethu wabadala nabancane, lapho kungacaci ukuthi ubani ofundisa bani ... futhi ngilwela ukusuka kuphi yonke indawo, noma ngabe ngikuphi.

Kuyamangaza kimina ukuzwa lesi sisho sokugcina esivela kuye - umuntu ovame ukuvakashela hhayi nje kuphela izindawo zokudlela ezivulwa emini, kodwa futhi nokhaphethi ababomvu, izingqungquthela zabezindaba, imicimbi esemthethweni neyokusiza abantulayo, lapho ehlala ezikhombisa khona ukuthi uhlakaniphile kwezokuxhumana. futhi umpetha wenkulumo encane. Futhi endodeni eyake yavuma ukuthi ... Yebo, yebo, ngizoyibuza ngokushesha ngalokhu.

Psychology: Ben, ngiyaxolisa, kodwa kuyamangaza ukuzwa ngesifiso sokubuyela ekhaya kumuntu owake wathi ebusheni bakhe, ukwesaba kwakhe okuyinhloko kwakuwukuphila impilo evamile, engaphawuleki. Futhi nakhu - umndeni, izingane, indlu e-Hampstead ... abavamile abangenamafu kakhulu. Kodwa kuthiwani ngomsebenzi, umsebenzi, udumo - ingabe le mibono ibhekwa njengephansi emehlweni akho?

UBenedict Cumberbatch: Angazi noma uyanginyathela yini ... Kodwa ngiphendula ngokujulile. Manje njengoba sengineminyaka engamashumi amane, ngiye ngabona okuthile okubonakala kulula kakhulu. Impilo iyindlela. Okungukuthi, akuyona inqubo eyenzekayo kithi. Lena indlela yethu, ukukhetha kwendlela. Indawo okuyiwa kuyo - elinye ngaphandle kwethuna - ayicacile kahle. Kodwa isitobhi ngasinye esilandelayo, ngomqondo ongokomfanekiso, ukuma, kuya ngokuya kucace. Ngezinye izikhathi hhayi kithi. Kodwa emkhathini usuvele uzwe umoya usuka lapho...

Uyazi-ke ukuthi abazali bami bangabadlali. Futhi ngikwazi ngokugcwele ukuthi ukuphila kokulingisa akuzinzile kangakanani, ngezinye izikhathi kuyalulaza, kuncike njalo, bacindezela, futhi ngokungathi sína, ukuthi ngithola imfundo engcono kakhulu ngangokunokwenzeka. Futhi bahlanganisa zonke izinsiza zabo zezimali ukuze bangithumele esikoleni sabafana esihamba phambili emhlabeni, iSikole SaseHarrow.

Babenethemba lokuthi ngamathemba anikezwa uHarrow, ngangingaba udokotela, isazi sezinkanyezi, ummeli, phela. Futhi ngizothola ikusasa elizinzile, elingenafu. Kodwa ngaphambi kwesikole nangamaholidi, ngangivame ukuza enkundleni yemidlalo yaseshashalazini, lapho kudlalwa khona umama noma ubaba. Futhi ngakho ngikhumbula…

Ngineminyaka engu-11 ubudala, ngima ngemva kwesiteji futhi ngibuka abadlali, ebumnyameni, okuyinto kimina esikhundleni sehholo ... ukuphuma kukaMama, usendingilizini yokukhanya, ukuthinta kwakhe okuhlekisayo, uhleko ehholo ... Futhi ngizwa sengathi kusukela kulobo bumnyama lapho izethameli , ukushisa kuphuma khona. Hhayi-ke, ngiyakuzwa ngokoqobo!

Umama ubuya esiteji, uyangibona futhi, mhlawumbe, ubuso bami obukhethekile futhi buthule athi: "Hhayi, omunye futhi ..." Wabona ukuthi ngihambile. Futhi-ke, lapho, ngemva kuka-Harrow, ngimemezela ukuthi ngisafuna ukuba umlingisi, okusho ukuthi ngokoqobo "esihogweni ngemizamo yakho kanye nemfundo yakho," abazali bami baphefumula kakhulu ...

Okungukuthi, ngihlele leli kusasa elidlalayo kimina - lapho, ngemuva kokudlala kukamama. Futhi okulandelayo ... «ukuma» kwakuzoba isiteji, mhlawumbe, uma ngibe nenhlanhla, isikrini. Hhayi ngaso leso sikhathi, kodwa kwasebenza. Futhi ngemva kwazo zonke lezi zindima, impumelelo ekhangayo nengalindelekile kaSherlock kimina, ngaba nomuzwa wokuthi ngangishoda ...

Futhi kuyadingeka kakhulu - isiyalo sangaphakathi, ukugxila komcabango, umbono weqiniso, ocacile wezinto. Igxilile eqinisweni. Ukwamukela kwakhe ngomoya ophansi. Futhi lokhu kubaluleke ngaphezu kokuphumelela kochwepheshe, ngiyakuqinisekisa. Ukuphila impilo evamile kwabonakala kubaluleke kakhulu kunomsebenzi wokuziphilisa.

Kodwa ukhulume ngesifiso sokuphila impilo engajwayelekile ngemuva kokuhlangenwe nakho okukhethekile, isigameko saseNingizimu Afrika ...

… Yebo, ku-existentialism kungabizwa ngokuthi i-borderline. Bengiya koshuthwa nabangani ababili, imoto iqhume isondo. Abafana abayisithupha ababephethe izibhamu beza kithi, bangiphusha mina nabangane bami emotweni, bangiyisa ehlathini, bangibeka emadolweni ami - futhi sase sivele savalelisa empilweni, futhi, sebethathe amakhadi ethu esikweletu nemali. , uvele wanyamalala...

Kungaleso sikhathi lapho ngathatha khona isinqumo sokuthi ufe wedwa, njengoba nje wazalwa, akekho umuntu ongathembela kuye futhi udinga ukuphila ngokugcwele, yebo ... Kodwa ngolunye usuku unomuzwa wokuthi ukuphila ngokugcwele yilokho okuyikho: bakithi, indawo ethulile, eyezingane enefasitela elikhulu ushintsha inabukeni. Lena impilo ngokugcwele, ikalwa ngesilinganiso esikhulu kunazo zonke.

Ngakho-ke, ake sithi, lokhu kuhlukaniswa kwe-covid akuzange kungincishe ibhalansi, kodwa abaningi bakhononda. Umndeni wethu wonke - mina, izingane, abazali bami nomkami - sasibambekile eNew Zealand, lapho ngangiqopha khona ngaleso sikhathi. Sahlala izinyanga ezimbili lapho futhi asizange sikubone ukuvalelwa. Ngafunda ukudlala ibhanjo nokubhaka isinkwa. Sasikha amakhowe ezintabeni futhi sifundele izingane ngokuzwakalayo. Ngingathi kwakumatasa kakhulu. Futhi uyazi, kubukeka njengohlobo lokuzindla - uma ungaphandle kwemicabango yakho evamile, lapho kuhlanzekile futhi kuzolile.

Usulisho igama elithi "zola" kabili emizuzwini emihlanu edlule...

Yebo, kungenzeka ukuthi ukhulumile. Ngangikuntula ngempela lokhu - ukuthula kwangaphakathi. Iseluleko esihle kunazo zonke engake ngasithola ekuphileni kwami ​​ngasinikezwa nguzakwethu owayesekhulile kakhulu eminyakeni engu-20 edlule. Ngaleso sikhathi ngangifunda esikoleni samadrama. Ngemva kokuprakthiza okuvamile, wathi, “Ben, ungakhathazeki. Yesaba, qaphela, qaphela. Kodwa ungakhathazeki. Ungavumeli injabulo ikwenze wehlise umoya.”

Futhi ngangikhathazeke kakhulu: ingabe nginqume ukuba umlingisi ngenxa nje yokuthi ngangicabanga kancane leli bhizinisi? Phela, ngangizoya eHarrow ngiyoba ummeli, kodwa ngesinye isikhathi ngabona ngokucacile ukuthi ngangingahlakaniphile ngokwanele kulokhu. Kwabe sekucaca ukuthi ngangiqinisile — ngiyabazi abameli, abanye babo ngifunda nabo ekilasini, bahlakaniphe ngokwedlulele, futhi anginjalo…

Kodwa-ke ngangingalungile neze. Futhi wayengenaso isiqiniseko salutho - noma kuye ngokwakhe, noma eqinisweni lokuthi wayenze okulungile ... Leso seluleko saba usizo kakhulu. Kodwa ngokuvamile, ngayeka ukukhathazeka kuphela lapho mina noSophie sihlangene futhi uKeith ezalwa (uChristopher uyindodana endala yomdlali, wazalwa ngo-2015. - Approx. ed.).

Ingabe ungomunye walabo abakholelwa ukuthi lapho kuzalwa izingane kwashintsha ngokuphelele?

Yebo futhi cha. Namanje ngisafana. Kodwa ngazikhumbula ngiseyingane - yeka umuzwa omuhle, omusha ngokuphelele wokuzimela engawuthola lapho udadewethu nabazali benginikeza ibhayisikili lokuqala labantu abadala! Ngicabanga ukuthi kubalulekile ukukhumbula ukuthi ungumfana owayejabulela ukugibela ibhayisikili ngenxa yomqondo omusha wokuzimela ukuze abe ubaba omuhle. Futhi umthwalo wemfanelo uwuhlobo oluthile lokusangulukisa, niyazi. Cabanga kancane ngawe.

Ngokuhamba kwesikhathi, ngaba nesineke kakhulu, ngikhathazeka kuphela ngezizathu ezithile.

Ngaphezu kwalokho, ngaqala ukubaqonda ngokugcwele abazali bami. Ngokwesibonelo, iqiniso lokuthi ubaba ebuntwaneni bami umhlalaphansi endlini yokugezela nephephandaba. Ngihlale onqenqemeni lokugeza ngifunde. Futhi wabhekana nezintela endaweni efanayo kusinki. Yebo, baba, ekugcineni ngiyakuqonda. Ngezinye izikhathi kudingekile kakhulu ukuthi izingane zazingekho. Kodwa ngokuvamile kuyadingeka ukuthi babe emehlweni. Leli ihange elingcono kakhulu ohambweni lwethu.

Ingabe unazo izinto ozitholile emkhakheni wezemfundo?

Lezi izindlela zabazali bami. Ngiyingane yabantu abavuthiwe — umama wami wayeneminyaka engu-41 ubudala ngesikhathi ngizalwa, uTracy, udadewethu womshado kamama wami wokuqala, umdala kunami ngeminyaka engu-15. Nokho abazali bami babehlale bengiphatha njengomuntu olinganayo. Okusho ukuthi, babekhuluma nengane njengokungathi nengane, kodwa angikhumbuli ukuthi kwashintsha kanjani lapho bekhuluma nami njengomuntu omdala.

Azikho izinqumo zami ezathathwa njengezingalungile, kodwa njengezami kuphela, engizobhekana nazo ngokwami. Futhi kungcono izingane ezingikhulisayo kunami! Sengibekezele kakhulu, ngizikhathaza ngezinto ezithize kuphela. Futhi - njengoba bekhula - ngiyaqaphela ukuthi angikwazi ukuthwala yonke into.

Manje ngikhumbula umuntu oyedwa omangalisayo, indela eKathmandu… Ngemva kuka-Harrow, nganquma ukuthatha ikhefu ngaphambi kwenyuvesi futhi ngaya eNepal njengevolontiya ukuze ngifundise izindela ezincane isiNgisi. Futhi wabe esehlala ewuhlobo lomfundi esigodlweni esisodwa sezindela - izinyanga ezimbalwa. Ukuzithiba, izifundo zokuthula, amahora amaningi okuzindla. Futhi lapho, enye indoda ekhanyayo yake yasitshela: ungazisoli kaningi.

Futhi ungumBuddha, ngoba ubuBuddha buvumelana nezimo kunobuKristu?

Kodwa iqiniso liwukuthi awukwazi ukuba nesibopho sayo yonke into futhi wonke umuntu! Yenza okusemandleni akho futhi ungazisoli. Ngoba kuwuhlobo lokuzigqaja ukuzibamba ezimweni lapho ungase ungabi namandla. Kubaluleke ngempela ukwazi imikhawulo yesibopho sakho futhi, uma kukhona, nomuzwa wecala lakho.

Ngokuvamile, ukwazi umngcele, ukukwazi ukumisa okuthile ngesikhathi. Ngakho ngenza izinto eziningi ekuphileni kwami ​​- esiteji, ebhayisikobho - ukuze abazali bami baziqhenye ngami. Kodwa ngesinye isikhathi ngathi kimi: yeka. Ngibathanda kakhulu, ngibabonga kakhulu, kodwa awukwazi ukuqondisa impilo yakho ngokuvumelana nabo. Udinga ukwazi ukuma ngesikhathi - ukwenza okuthile, ukuzwa okuthile. Vele udlulele esigabeni esilandelayo, ungabambeki kulokho okungasekho usayizi wakho, okumpintshayo, okumpintsha kakhulu.

Lesi yisiqalo esingaqondakali kakhulu - lapho umuzwa wakho wobulungisa ukhuphuka

Ngendlela, endaweni efanayo, eNepal, mina nomngane wami sahamba ngezinyawo, salahleka, ezinsukwini ezimbili kamuva e-Himalayas - bheka futhi bheka! - babona ubulongwe be-yak balandela umkhondo wenqola ukuya emzini. Ngokushukuma komzimba, babonisa ukuthi babelambile ngesihluku, futhi bathola ukudla okumnandi kakhulu emhlabeni - amaqanda. Ngokushesha ngathola isifo sohudo, kunjalo. Futhi umngane wenza ihlaya ngokudabukisayo: insindiso yethu ibe nemiphumela emibi kakhulu.

Futhi wayeqinisile: empilweni, izimangaliso kanye ... kahle, i-shit iyahambisana. Akunjalo okwesibili - ukubuyisela okokuqala. Vele nibambene ngesandla. Injabulo nokucasuka. Konke lokhu kumayelana nendaba yokuthula nobuBuddha bami.

Ukuba nomndeni kuwuthinte kanjani umsebenzi wakho? Ingabe kukhona okumele ucabange kabusha?

Angiqiniseki ukuthi ngaphambi kokuzalwa kwezingane, ngaphambi kokuba ngithole ibhalansi phakathi kwempilo yasekhaya nomsebenzi, ngangizokhuthaza ukukhokhelwa okulinganayo kwabesilisa nabesifazane kumafilimu naseshashalazini ngokungathi sína. Futhi manje ngiyenqaba iphrojekthi uma ngingaqinisekisiwe ukuthi amanani "owesilisa" kanye "nowesifazane" kuwo ayalingana.

Phela, ngingowesilisa omhlophe olinganiselwe, ongaswele neze, oneminyaka ephakathi. Akusilo iqiniso ukuthi bekuzongithinta kakhulu uma ngingaqondi ngokweqiniso ukuthi kuyisiphetho esinjani ukuba ngumama osebenzayo.

Kuyathakazelisa futhi ukuthi, njengoba sengingubaba, ngibheka izindima ngokwazo ngendlela entsha. Ngadlala uHamlet eBarbican lapho uKeith enonyaka ubudala. Futhi akazange ambheke uHamlet ngendlela efanayo nangaphambili - njengomuntu obhekene nokukhetha okukhona. “Ukuba noma ungabikho”… Cha, ngabona kuye indodana, intandane, umfana obheka unina njengembuka ngoba ekhaphele inkumbulo kayise.

Futhi uyikho konke - ukufutheka kobusha, ukoma kokufakazela kumama wakhe ukuthi unephutha kangakanani. Uyindodana ngokuphelele - akayena ubuntu obukhanyayo, akayena isithandwa sika-Ophelia noma umkhohlisi, ungumuntu osemusha owabuzwa ubuntandane bakhe. Futhi ufuna ukuziphindiselela kubantu abadala. Buyisa ubulungiswa ku-Elsinore njengoba ekubona.

Angifuni ngisho nokukhipha ukuthi inkulumo yami ngemva komunye wemidlalo yayivikela ababaleki abavela eSiriya, ngokumelene nosopolitiki ngesinqumo sabo esingenangqondo sokuvuma izinkulungwane ze-20 kuphela eBrithani eminyakeni engu-5, kuyilapho izinkulungwane ze-5 kuphela ezafika eLampedusa naseLesvos njalo. usuku … Mhlawumbe, le nkulumo yabuye yanqunywa isifiso sikaHamlet sobulungiswa … Amagama okugcina abhekiswe kosopolitiki — nakanjani.

Ingabe uyazisola ngaleyo nkulumo, isiqalekiso sezikhulu zezombusazwe zaseBrithani? Ekugcineni, ngoba wabe ususolwa ngisho nangokuzenzisa.

Oh yebo: "Inkanyezi enezigidi iyazwelana nababaleki, yena ngokwakhe ngeke abavumele ukuba bangene endlini yakhe." Futhi cha, angizisoli. Ngokubona kwami, lesi yisiqalo esingaqondakali - lapho umuzwa wakho wobulungisa ukhuphuka. Khona-ke, njengabanye abaningi, ngavele ngaphendulwa isithombe emaphephandabeni: isidumbu sosana oluneminyaka emibili kumugqa wokuntweza. Wayengumbaleki eSiriya eyayikhungethwe yimpi, waminza oLwandle iMedithera. Ingane yashona ngoba ibalekela impi.

Bengidinga ukukhuluma nezithameli ngokushesha ngisesiteji, ngemva nje komdlalo, eminsalweni yami. Futhi ngento equkethe umuzwa ofanayo nalowo engabhekana nawo - ingxube yokucasuka nentukuthelo. Lezi kwakuyizinkondlo zembongi yaseNigeria: “Ayikho indawo yengane esikebheni kuze kube yilapho ulwandle seluzolile kunomhlaba …”

Kuze kube manje, isinqumo sokuvinjelwa ukungena kwababaleki sibonakala singesihle kimi. Umsebenzi wami kwakuwukubaqoqela imali. Futhi umkhankaso waba yimpumelelo. Lokhu kuyinto eyinhloko. Yebo, ngokuvamile ngikhohliwe ukuthi ngingazisola kanjani ngalokho okwenziwa. angikho lapho. Nginezingane.

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