Efingqa iminyaka eminingi yomsebenzi, lapho kwatholakala khona intuition, ucwaningo kanye nokuphulukiswa, umdali we-psychogenealogy, u-Ann Anselin Schutzenberger, ukhuluma ngendlela yakhe nokuthi kwakunzima kangakanani kuye ukuzuza ukuqashelwa.
Psychology: Uqhamuke kanjani ne-psychogenealogy?
U-Ann Anselin Schutzenberger: Ngasungula igama elithi “psychogeneology” ekuqaleni kwawo-1980 ukuze ngichazele abafundi bami besayensi yezengqondo eNyuvesi yaseNice ukuthi ziyini izibopho zomndeni, zidluliselwa kanjani, nokuthi uchungechunge lwezizukulwane ngokuvamile “lusebenza” kanjani. Kodwa lokhu kakade kwase kuwumphumela wocwaningo oluthile kanye nomphumela weminyaka yami engamashumi amabili yokuhlangenwe nakho komtholampilo.
Ingabe uqale ukuthola imfundo yakudala ye-psychoanalytic?
AA Š.: Akunjalo Empeleni. Ekuqaleni kwawo-1950, ngemva kokuqeda izifundo zami e-United States futhi ngibuyela ezweni lakithi, ngafuna ukukhuluma nesazi sesayensi yabantu. Ngakhetha njengesazi sokusebenza kwengqondo uchwepheshe kulo mkhakha, umqondisi weMuseum of Man, uRobert Jessen, owayeke wasebenza njengodokotela ohambweni oluya eNorth Pole. Ngomqondo othile, nguye owangivulela umnyango wezwe lobudlelwane phakathi kwezizukulwane, engitshela ngaleli siko lama-Eskimo: uma umuntu efela ekuzingeleni, isabelo sakhe sempango siya kumzukulu wakhe.
URobert Jessen wathi ngolunye usuku, engena e-igloo, wezwa ngokumangala okukhulu indlela umninikhaya aphendukela ngayo kumntwana wakhe ngenhlonipho ngala mazwi: “Mkhulu, uma usivumela, sizomema lomfokazi ukuba azodla nathi.” Kwathi emva kwemizuzu embalwa wabe esekhuluma naye okwengane.
Le ndaba ingivule amehlo ngabona izindima esizithola ngakolunye uhlangothi emndenini wethu, ngakolunye uhlangothi, ngaphansi kwethonya lokhokho bethu.
Zonke izingane ziyazi ngokwenzeka endlini, ikakhulukazi okufihliwe kuzo.
Khona-ke, ngemva kukaJessen, kwaba khona UFrançoise Dolto: ngaleso sikhathi kwakubhekwa njengefomu elihle, usuqedile ukuhlaziya kwakho, ukubheka futhi.
Ngakho-ke ngiza ku-Dolto, futhi into yokuqala angicela ukuba ngikhulume ngayo ngokuphila kocansi kokhokho bami. Ngiphendula ngithi angazi lutho ngalento ngoba ngifice okhokho bami sebengabafelokazi. Futhi ngokuhlambalaza: “Zonke izingane ziyakwazi okwenzeka endlini, ikakhulukazi lokho okufihliwe kuzo. Funa i…"
Futhi ekugcineni, iphuzu lesithathu elibalulekile. Ngolunye usuku umngane wami wangicela ukuba ngihlangane nesihlobo sakhe esasigulela ukufa ngenxa yomdlavuza. Ngaya endlini yakhe futhi endlini yokuphumula ngabona isithombe sowesifazane omuhle kakhulu. Kuvele ukuthi lona ngumama wesiguli, owabulawa umdlavuza eneminyaka engu-34. Lona wesifazane engafika kuye wayelingana naye ngaleso sikhathi.
Kusukela ngaleso sikhathi kuqhubeke, ngaqala ukunaka ngokukhethekile izinsuku zemigubho, izindawo zezenzakalo, izifo ... kanye nokuvela kwazo ochungechungeni lwezizukulwane. Ngakho, i-psychogenealogy yazalwa.
Kwakuyini ukusabela komphakathi we-psychoanalytic?
AA Š.: Ama-psychoanalyst ayengangazi, futhi abanye abantu cishe babecabanga ukuthi ngingumuntu ophuphayo noma uhlanya. Kodwa akunandaba. Angicabangi ukuthi bayalingana nami, ngaphandle kwezimbalwa ezimbalwa. Ngenza ukuhlaziya iqembu, ngenza i-psychodrama, ngenza izinto abazidelelayo.
Angifanelani nabo, kodwa anginendaba. Ngiyathanda ukuvula iminyango futhi ngiyazi ukuthi i-psychogenealogy izokhombisa ukusebenza kwayo esikhathini esizayo. Futhi-ke, i-orthodox Freudianism nayo iyashintsha ngokuhamba kwesikhathi.
Ngesikhathi esifanayo, uhlangane nentshisekelo emangalisayo evela emphakathini…
AA Š.: I-Psychogenealogy yavela ngesikhathi lapho abantu abaningi beba nesithakazelo kokhokho babo futhi bezwa isidingo sokuthola izimpande zabo. Nokho, ngize ngizisole ngokuthi wonke umuntu wayethatheke kangaka.
Namuhla, noma ubani angathi usebenzisa i-psychogenealogy ngaphandle kokuqeqeshwa okujulile, okufanele kufake kokubili imfundo ephakeme ephakeme kanye nomsebenzi womtholampilo. Abanye abanalwazi kule ndawo kangangokuthi benza amaphutha amakhulu ekuhlaziyeni nasekuchazeni, okuholela amakhasimende abo aduke.
Labo abafuna uchwepheshe badinga ukubuza mayelana nomsebenzi kanye neziqu zabantu abazimisele ukubasiza, futhi bangenzi ngomgomo othi: "wonke umuntu oseduze naye uyahamba, nami ngizohamba."
Ingabe unomuzwa wokuthi okungokwakho ngokufanelekile kuthathiwe kuwe?
AA Š.: Yebo. Futhi ngibuye ngisetshenziswe yilabo abasebenzisa indlela yami ngaphandle kokuqonda ingqikithi yayo.
Imibono namagama, njengoba kufakwa ekusakazweni, bayaqhubeka bephila izimpilo zabo. Angikwazi ukulawula ukusetshenziswa kwegama elithi "psychogeneology." Kodwa ngithanda ukugcizelela ukuthi i-psychogenealogy iyindlela efana nanoma iyiphi enye. Akuyona i-panacea noma ukhiye oyinhloko: kungenye nje ithuluzi lokuhlola umlando wakho nezimpande zakho.
Asikho isidingo sokwenza kube lula kakhulu: i-psychogenealogy ayimayelana nokusebenzisa i-matrix ethile noma ukuthola izimo ezilula zedethi eziphindaphindayo ezingasho okuthile ngaso sonke isikhathi ngokwazo - sisengozini yokuwela “ekungeneni kwengozi” okungenampilo. Kunzima futhi ukuzibandakanya ku-psychogenealogy uwedwa, wedwa. Iso lomelaphi liyadingeka ukuze kulandelwe bonke ubunkimbinkimbi bezinhlangano zomcabango nokubhuka, njengakunoma yikuphi ukuhlaziya nakunoma iyiphi i-psychotherapy.
Ukuphumelela kwendlela yakho kubonisa ukuthi abantu abaningi abayitholi indawo yabo emndenini futhi bahlushwa yilokhu. Kungani kunzima kangaka?
AA Š.: Ngoba siqanjelwa amanga. Ngoba ezinye izinto zifihliwe kithi, futhi ukuthula kuhlanganisa ukuhlupheka. Ngakho-ke, kufanele sizame ukuqonda ukuthi kungani sithathe le ndawo ethile emndenini, silandele uchungechunge lwezizukulwane lapho singenye yezixhumanisi, futhi sicabange ukuthi singazikhulula kanjani.
Kuhlala kufika isikhathi lapho udinga ukwamukela umlando wakho, umndeni owutholile. Awukwazi ukushintsha okwedlule. Ungazivikela kuye uma umazi. Yilokho kuphela. Ngendlela, i-psychogenealogy nayo inesithakazelo enjabulweni eye yaba yingqopha-mlando ekuphileni komndeni. Ukumba engadini yomndeni wakho akukhona ukuqongelela izinkinga nokuhlupheka, kodwa ukubhekana nakho uma amadlozi engakwenzanga lokhu.
Ngakho-ke kungani sidinga i-psychogenealogy?
AA Š.: Ukuzitshela ukuthi: “Kungakhathaliseki ukuthi kwenzekani emndenini wami esikhathini esidlule, kungakhathaliseki ukuthi okhokho bami benzani futhi bahlangabezana nani, kungakhathaliseki ukuthi yini abangifihlela yona, umndeni wami uwumndeni wami, futhi ngiyakwamukela ngoba angikwazi ukushintsha «. Ukusebenzela umndeni wakho okwedlule kusho ukufunda ukuhlehla kuwo futhi uthathe umucu wokuphila, impilo yakho, uwubeke ezandleni zakho. Futhi lapho isikhathi sifika, dlulisela ezinganeni zakho ngomphefumulo ozolile.