Yiziphi izinkinga zomuntu siqu ezingaxazululwa ngokutadisha ukuphila, futhi kungani uNkulunkulu kungafanele alethwe enkundleni? Ingxoxo noLeonid Ogorodnov, umbhali we-agiodrama methodology, ehlanganisa iminyaka engu-10 kulo nyaka.
I-Psychologies: "I-Agio" yisiGreki esithi "ngcwele", kodwa yini i-hagiodrama?
Leonid Ogorodnov: Lapho le ndlela izalwa, sahlela izimpilo zabangcwele sisebenzisa i-psychodrama, okungukuthi, ukuthuthukiswa okumangalisayo kwesakhiwo esithile. Manje ngingachaza i-hagiodrama ngokubanzi: kuwumsebenzi ongokwengqondo oneSiko Elingcwele.
Ngaphezu kwezimpilo, lokhu kuhlanganisa ukuqoshwa kwezithombe, imibhalo yobaba abangcwele, umculo wesonto, kanye nezakhiwo. Ngokwesibonelo, umfundi wami, isazi sokusebenza kwengqondo uYulia Trukhanova, wabeka ingaphakathi lethempeli.
Ukubeka ingaphakathi - kungenzeka?
Kungenzeka ukubeka yonke into engabhekwa njengombhalo ngomqondo obanzi, okungukuthi, njengendlela ehlelekile yezimpawu. Ku-psychodrama, noma iyiphi into ingathola izwi layo, ibonise uhlamvu.
Ngokwesibonelo, ekukhiqizeni «Ithempeli» kwakukhona izindima: kuvulandi, ithempeli, iconostasis, chandelier, kuvulandi, izinyathelo ethempelini. Umhlanganyeli, owakhetha indima ethi "Izinyathelo Eziya Ethempelini", wathola ukuqonda: waqaphela ukuthi lesi akusona nje isitebhisi, lezi zinyathelo ziyiziqondiso ezivela ekuphileni kwansuku zonke ukuya ezweni elingcwele.
Abahlanganyeli bemikhiqizo - bangobani?
Umbuzo onjalo uhilela ukuthuthukiswa kokuqeqeshwa, lapho izethameli ezihlosiwe zinqunywa futhi umkhiqizo wenzelwe wona. Kodwa angenzanga lutho. Ngangena ku-hagiodrama ngoba yayithakazelisa kimi.
Ngakho ngafaka isikhangiso, futhi ngashayela nabangane bami ucingo ngathi: “Wozani, nidinga kuphela ukukhokhela igumbi, asidlale futhi sibone ukuthi kwenzekani.” Nababeyithakasela bafika, baningi impela. Ngemuva kwakho konke, kukhona ama-freaks abathanda izithonjana noma iziwula ezingcwele zaseByzantine zekhulu lesi-XNUMX. Kwakunjalo nange-hagiodrama.
I-Agiodrama - indlela yokwelapha noma yokufundisa?
Akuyona nje yokwelapha kuphela, kodwa futhi yezemfundo: abahlanganyeli abaqondi nje kuphela, kodwa bathola ulwazi lomuntu siqu mayelana nokuthi buyini ubungcwele, obani abaphostoli, abafel 'ukholo, abangcwele nabanye abangcwele.
Ngokuphathelene nokwelashwa kwengqondo, ngosizo lwe-hagiodrama umuntu angakwazi ukuxazulula izinkinga ezingokwengqondo, kodwa indlela yokuyixazulula ihluke kuleyo eyamukelwa ku-psychodrama yakudala: uma iqhathaniswa nayo, i-hagiodrama, yiqiniso, ayifuni.
I-Agiodrama ikuvumela ukuba uzizwe uphendukela kuNkulunkulu, udlulele ngale kweyakho "Mina", ube ngaphezu kwakho "Mina"
Kuyini iphuzu lokwethula abangcwele esiteji, uma ungakwazi ukubeka umama nobaba? Akuyona imfihlo ukuthi izinkinga zethu eziningi zihlobene nobudlelwane bomzali nengane. Isixazululo sezinkinga ezinjalo sitholakala emkhakheni we "I" yethu.
I-Agiodrama ingumsebenzi ohlelekile one-transcendental, kulokhu, izindima zenkolo, nezingokomoya. "Okweqa umngcele" kusho "ukuwela umngcele". Yebo, umngcele phakathi komuntu noNkulunkulu ungawelwa kuphela ngosizo lukaNkulunkulu, njengoba umiswe Nguye.
Kodwa, ngokwesibonelo, umthandazo uyinkulumo kuNkulunkulu, futhi “umthandazo” uyindima engaphezu kwemvelo. I-Agiodrama ikuvumela ukuthi uzizwele lokhu kuguqulwa, uhambe — noma okungenani uzame — ngale kwemingcele yakho ethi “Mina”, ukuze ube ngaphezu kuka-«Mina” wakho.
Ngokusobala, umgomo onjalo uzibekela wona ngokuyinhloko amakholwa?
Yebo, ngokuyinhloko amakholwa, kodwa hhayi kuphela. Namanje «nozwela», nesithakazelo. Kodwa umsebenzi wakhiwe ngendlela ehlukile. Ezimweni eziningi, umsebenzi we-hagiodramatic namakholwa ungabizwa ngokuthi ukulungiselela okubanzi kokuPhenduka.
Amakholwa, ngokwesibonelo, anokungabaza noma intukuthelo, ukukhononda ngoNkulunkulu. Lokhu kubavimbela ukuba bathandaze, bacele okuthile kuNkulunkulu: indlela yokwenza isicelo kumuntu engimthukuthelele? Lesi yisimo lapho izindima ezimbili zinamathelana khona: indima edlula imvelo yalowo othandazayo kanye nendima engokwengqondo yalowo othukuthele. Futhi-ke umgomo we-hagiodrama ukuhlukanisa lezi zindima.
Kungani kuwusizo ukuhlukanisa izindima?
Ngoba lapho singahlanganyeli izindima ezihlukene, khona-ke ukudideka kuvela ngaphakathi kwethu, noma, ngamazwi kaJung, "i-complex", okungukuthi, isiphithiphithi sokuthambekela okungokomoya okunezinhlangothi eziningi. Lowo okwenzeka kuye lokhu akakwazi lokhu kudideka, kodwa uyahlangabezana nakho - futhi lokhu okuhlangenwe nakho kubi kakhulu. Futhi ukuthatha isinyathelo kulesi sikhundla ngokuvamile akunakwenzeka.
Ngokuvamile isithombe sikaNkulunkulu siyi-hodgepodge yokwesaba namathemba aqoqwe ezihlotsheni nakubangane.
Uma umzamo wentando usilethela ukunqoba kwesikhathi esisodwa, khona-ke "i-complex" ibuya futhi iba buhlungu nakakhulu. Kodwa uma sihlukanisa izindima futhi sizwe amazwi abo, khona-ke singaqonda ngamunye wabo futhi, mhlawumbe, sivumelane nabo. Ku-psychodrama yakudala, umgomo onjalo nawo ubekiwe.
Uhamba kanjani lo msebenzi?
Sake sadlala impilo yoMfel' ukholo Omkhulu u-Eustathius Placis, uKristu avela kuye esesimweni seNyamazane. Iklayenti endimeni ka-Eustathius, ibona inyamazane, yavele yabhekana nokukhathazeka okuqine kakhulu.
Ngaqala ukubuza, kwavela ukuthi wayehlobanisa iNhlangakazi nogogo wakhe: wayengowesifazane ongenangqondo, izimfuno zakhe zazivame ukuphikisana, futhi kwakunzima entombazaneni ukubhekana nalokhu. Ngemva kwalokho, sayeka isenzo sangempela se-hagiodramatic futhi sadlulela ku-psychodrama yakudala ezindikimbeni zomndeni.
Ngemva kokubhekana nobuhlobo phakathi kukagogo nomzukulu (izindima ezingokwengqondo), sabuyela ekuphileni, ku-Eustathius kanye neDeer (izindima ezidlulayo). Futhi-ke iklayenti elivela endimeni kasanta lakwazi ukuphendukela ku-Deer ngothando, ngaphandle kokwesaba nokukhathazeka. Ngakho, sahlukanisa izindima, wanika uNkulunkulu - Bogovo, kanye nogogo - sikagogo.
Futhi yiziphi izinkinga abangakholwa abazixazululayo?
Isibonelo: Umuntu ongenele umncintiswano ubizelwa indima kasanta othobekile, kodwa indima ayiphumeleli. Kungani? Uvinjwa ukuziqhenya, angazange akusole nokukusola. Umphumela womsebenzi kuleli cala ungase ungabi yisixazululo senkinga, kodwa, ngokuphambene nalokho, ukwakhiwa kwayo.
Isihloko esibaluleke kakhulu kubo bobabili abakholwayo nabangewona amakholwa ukususwa kwemibono evela kuNkulunkulu. Wonke umuntu okungenani ojwayele kancane nge-psychology uyazi ukuthi indoda noma inkosikazi ivame ukuhlanekezela isithombe somlingani, idlulisela izici zomama noma ubaba kuye.
Okufanayo kwenzeka ngomfanekiso kaNkulunkulu - ngokuvamile i-hodgepodge yokwesaba namathemba aqoqwe kuzo zonke izihlobo nabangane. Ku-hagiodrama singasusa lezi zibikezelo, bese kubuyiselwa ithuba lokuxhumana noNkulunkulu kanye nabantu.
Ufike kanjani ku-hagiodrama? Futhi kungani bashiya i-psychodrama?
Angizange ngiye ndawo: Ngihola amaqembu e-psychodrama, ngifundisa futhi ngisebenza ngabanye ngendlela ye-psychodrama. Kodwa wonke umuntu emsebenzini wakhe ufuna «chip», ngakho ngaqala ngifuna. Futhi kusukela kulokho engangikwazi futhi ngakubona, ngayithanda kakhulu i-mythodrama.
Ngaphezu kwalokho, kwakuyimijikelezo eyangithakazelisa, hhayi izinganekwane zomuntu ngamunye, futhi kuyinto efiselekayo ukuthi umjikelezo onjalo uphele ekupheleni kwezwe: ukuzalwa kwendawo yonke, ukufika konkulunkulu, unyakazisa ibhalansi engazinzile yomhlaba, futhi kwakufanele kuphele ngokuthile.
Uma sihlukanisa izindima futhi sizwe amazwi abo, singaqonda ngamunye wabo futhi, mhlawumbe, sivumelane nabo
Kuvele ukuthi zimbalwa kakhulu izinhlelo zezinganekwane ezinjalo. Ngaqala ngezinganekwane zaseScandinavia, ngabe sengishintshela “enganekwaneni” yobuJuda nobuKristu, ngamisa umjikelezo ngokweTestamente Elidala. Ngabe sengicabanga ngeTestamente Elisha. Kodwa ngangikholelwa ukuthi uNkulunkulu akufanele alethwe esiteji ukuze angavezi abantu abaningi Ngaye, singabaluli Kuye imizwa nezisusa zethu zobuntu.
Futhi eTestamenteni Elisha, uKristu usebenza yonke indawo, lapho ubunkulunkulu buhlala khona kanye nemvelo yomuntu. Futhi ngacabanga: UNkulunkulu akakwazi ukubekwa - kodwa ungakwazi ukubeka abantu abaseduze kakhulu Naye. Futhi laba ngabangcwele. Lapho ngibheka ukuphila kwamehlo «enganekwane», ngamangala ukujula kwawo, ubuhle kanye nezinhlobonhlobo zezincazelo.
Ingabe i-hagiodrama ishintshile okuthile empilweni yakho?
Yebo. Angikwazi ukusho ukuthi sengiyilungu lebandla: Angilona ilungu lanoma isiphi isifunda futhi angihlanganyeli ngokugcwele empilweni yesonto, kodwa ngiyavuma futhi ngidla isidlo okungenani kane ngonyaka. Nginomuzwa wokuthi anginalo ulwazi olwanele ngaso sonke isikhathi ukuze ngigcine umongo wokuphila we-Orthodox, ngahamba ngayofunda imfundiso yenkolo e-St. Tikhon Orthodox Humanitarian University.
Futhi ngokombono wochwepheshe, lena indlela yokuzibona: umsebenzi ohlelekile onezindima ezidlulele. Lokhu kuyakhuthaza kakhulu. Ngazama ukwethula izindima ze-transcendental ku-psychodrama engeyona eyenkolo, kodwa ayizange ingihlanganise.
Nginentshisekelo kwabangcwele. Angazi ukuthi kuzokwenzekani kulo santa ekukhiqizweni, ikuphi ukusabela kwemizwa nezincazelo umenzi wale ndima azozithola. Bekungakabibikho icala lapho ngingafundanga okusha kimina.